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Some Random Musings From the Mind of Jonathan Goff
Now that I'm done venting on Mark, I think I'm done kvetching about the ESAS plan for now. I'm still home sick with this stupid cold, but I'm most of the way back out of the woods, and will probably be going in to work this afternoon. While we've been recuperating, Tiff and I finished reading The Rocket Company, and since I promised Patrick I'd write a review, I'd like to take the time to do so now.I think that by Jon's definition any plan to return to the Moon, whether it was done by NASA, the Chinese, or by Elon Musk would be considered Apollo Part 2. It could be done any number of ways, but the end result is that people will be back on the Moon.
Now, it could be that Jon is suggesting that any return to the Moon would be "boring" and therefore to be avoided. By that criteria, would it mean that he would support going directly to Mars? It's a differnt place, after all. One can't be sure.
Now we get closer to the meat of Jon's argument. A government financed, government operated return to the moon is "socialistic" and therefore, evil. Now, it seems to me that if we define any activity that a government might undertake to be socialistic, then there seems to be only two real forms of organizing a society: socialism and anarchy.
Now, I like the idea of space going tankers. I used the concept for Children of Apollo. But, it's new technology, the development of which has certain pit falls that have a greater chance of increasing the cost and expanding the schedule of the program than NASA's idea of going with the tried and true. I think it's a worthy idea to develop in the view of enhancing the infrastructure once people start going to the Moon on a regular basis.
[D]oes Jon suggest that using five or nine or whatever number of EELVs is going to be cheaper than using two larger launch vehicles?
Not to mention the cost of man rating the launchers, which I'm told is very expensive and very time consumning.
In other testimony, Griffin has made it clear that he is not opposed to using EELV vehicles effectively unmodified from their current versions to launch crewed vehicles. In a May 2003 hearing by the House Science Committee’s space subcommittee on NASA’s Orbital Space Plane (OSP) program—a short-lived effort to develop a manned spacecraft that was superseded by the CEV—Griffin noted that the term “man rating” dated back to efforts in the 1950s and 1960s to modify ICBMs to carry capsules. “This involved a number of factors such as pogo suppression, structural stiffening, and other details not particularly germane to today’s expendable vehicles. The concept of ‘man rating’ in this sense is, I believe, no longer very relevant.”
The Atlas 5 and Delta 4 EELVs, he noted, have a specified design reliability of 98 percent, in line with experience with the premier expendable vehicles to date. If such a vehicle was used to launch a crewed spacecraft equipped with an escape system of just 90 percent reliability, he noted, the combined system would have a 1-in-500 chance of a fatal accident, “substantially better than for the Shuttle.”
But since there are no launch vehicles in existence or likely to be in existence in the near future that will meet NASA's requirements, then--sadly--returning to the Moon, at least initally, has to be done the old fashioned way.
To my mind, the manned spaceflight portion of NASA is a parasite on the American people. It's now a jobs program for rocketeers. I look at it rather benignly, though. It's a waste of money, but no more than that. NASA doesn't stop anybody from doing what they want to do. No small, innovative companies -- those who will form the backbone of future space activity -- are going broke because of NASA. On the other hand, I discount heavily the potential good that NASA can do for the industry.
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Because of this view, to my mind the best thing to do is to ignore NASA's manned spaceflight activities. It would be boring to follow it anyway.
It's more fun to follow SpaceX and Bigelow Aerospace, and potentially Scaled Composites and Armadillo Aerospace once their orbital programs come into sharper focus.
By my hasty back-of-the-envelope numbers, the ET LOX tank masses less than 1% of the LOX it carries, the ET LH2 tank masses greater than 12% of its LH2 content.
Both gentlemen, incorrectly, think that the VSE is "Apollo 2.0", the ultimate calumny one can offer to a proposed space project, at least in certain quarters. That's wrong because the plan does not so much retrace Apollo's steps as it picks up where it leaves off.
Vanderbilt goes on with an argument that NASA ought to assemble its moon ship from much smaller pieces using existing (or proposed to soon exist) launchers. There is certainly some validity for that approach. But Vanderbilt airily dismisses the counter argument that with more launches required per mission, the greater the risk that a single launch failure will delay or even scrub the mission entirely.
He also, I think incorrectly, suggests that the return to the Moon infrastructure will shoulder the same personel costs as running the shuttle fleet. That runs contrary to what NASA itself has been saying and the common sense fact that a great deal of the personel costs of running the shuttle consists of turning around the orbiters, which of course would go away when the shuttle fleet is retired.
Vanderbilt makes a number of other questionable assumptions, in my opinion. For instance, NASA's building a launch system in house rather than waiting for commercial launchers to come on line which may or may not be available is the wrong approach. Now, if the Falcon series and others now being contemplated were actually flying, it would be another matter. I can understand NASA's decision to go with the tried and true (i.e. a couple of rockets with existing technology) rather than count on the commercial space sector which may or may not deliver. Mind, I might have made a different decision (at the very least keeping some options open.) But that's not a deal breaker for me.
It worked like this: the systems engineers, working with the design engineers, came up with an approach that, based on their experience and investigations, they thought was most likely to work. They then engaged in an imaginative game of listing every possible design approach they could think of, no matter how far-fetched. The preferred approach and all of the alternatives were then analyzed according to a complicated equation involving many parametric constants and weighting factors for the requirements. This analysis generated so-called figures of merit for each option. The constants and the equation were then tinkered with until the chosen design approach came out as clearly superior.
When the design concept was presented to the top brass or congressional committees, it was presented as the best solution out of all possible solutions, arrived at by a purely scientific process. This made it essentially impossible for the design decision to be questioned. If there was any questioning of the design, the program managers would launch into interminable explanations and arguments concerning all of the many different design concepts, the figures of merit, and the trade table, until the questioner was exhasuted. Thus any attempt to interfere with the decision that the engineers had already made could be blocked.
If something can get worse it will
Is a phrase I’ve often sardonically used
But here’s some grist for Mr Murphy’s mill
I used to be disgusted
Now I’m just amused
To be blunt, we have big problems with this plan. It's the same basic approach as Apollo, disposable (mostly) spacecraft, on big NASA-proprietary boosters, flown a few times a year, by a standing army of NASA and contractor employees. This is Apollo 2.0, with somewhat more delivered exploration, at moderately higher cost, on a significantly slower schedule.
We have to ask, after forty years of stunning technological progress, shouldn't we be able to improve on Apollo's cost-to-exploration ratio a bit more than this? US taxpayers will get little more Buck Rogers for their inflation-adjusted buck than they did in the 1960's
[T[here are potentially useful bits in ESAS, not least of them the plan's flirtation with Station resupply being put out to commercial bid. Mind, with all due respect to various of our colleagues who pin large hopes on this, we have to say we see a strong liklihood that it, along with all sorts of other useful NASA non-manned-space functions (what does that first "A" stand for again?) will end up defunded to pay for ESAS's big upfront vehicle developments.
We also see considerable danger that commercial Station resupply will turn into (despite the best will in the world by those at HQ conceiving it) a tarbaby (a glue-trap for you kids never taught the old folk tales) as the people actually administering Station set impossible standards for would-be vendors, until they go broke and go away. (Last we heard, not even Shuttle and Soyuz meet the official "prox ops" Station docking rules; both had to be grandfathered in.) Our hypothetical turf-jealous Station managers could then go to Congress saying "see, those damned
amateurs couldn't hack it, now fund us pros to do the job!"
- NASA should let go of controlling their own space transportation from start to finish. They should make an exploration plan based on a variety of existing commercially available boosters, then put the entire ground-to-orbit leg of their new deep space missions out to bid.
- NASA should lay off and/or BRAC large parts of their Shuttle/Station establishment as Shuttle is shut down and Station completed, rather than again compulsively trying to "keep the team together". It's been a long time since this team had a winning season, the payroll is crippling, and the game has changed. Rebuild from the ground up.
- NASA should let go of numerous arbitrary and/or dated "this is best" prejudices the organization has accumulated over the years. Old NASA (as someone once said of a notoriously inbred european royal house) forgets nothing, and it learns nothing.
However, development work for these will not start until a customer places an order.
“There is not a great amount of further development to be done [for the heavy versions],” says SpaceX chairman and chief executive Elon Musk. “We won’t spend that money until we have a customer. Then we will do aerodynamic analysis, separation systems, a few things like that.”
He adds that development of the medium versions would include the attachment points for the heavy’s two strap-on stages and the analysis for the loading expected for heavy Falcon 9s.
SpaceX will conduct a hold-down fire test of the Falcon 9’s first stage in the second quarter of 2006 and a fairing separation test in the fourth quarter.
SpaceX attempted a full Mission Duty Cycle (MDC) test of the Merlin S/N 003 engine on Wednesday, 7 Sep 05 with catastrophic results.
At T+158 seconds the chamber and nozzle separated from the engine, breaking several mounts including one of the pitch/yaw actuators and one of two struts which attach to the TPA. Joints in the fuel lines from the TPA to the engine injector and the gas generator were separated causing fuel to be sprayed around the test stand for just a
short time (probably less than 1-2 seconds) but sufficient to burn for 10-15 minutes.
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It looks like when the chamber started to come off that the side forces generated were sufficient to break the strut and pitch/yaw actuator attach points and the engine swiveled into the TPA causing fuel lines to break, damaging the TPA, and tearing apart the turbine exhaust and roll control nozzle.
Technicians are evaluating now the damage done to facility wiring, tank insulation, and valves. It may take two weeks to repair the damage and get the stand back in shape to test a Merlin. The next Merlin engine is in El Segundo waiting for an engine computer to complete acceptance testing and might ship as early as next Monday. In the meantime SpaceX intends to press with Kestrel testing which should be largely unaffected by the Merlin problems.
Falcon 5 has lower payload for two reasons:
1. SpaceX originally planned to upgrade the Merlin 1 to 100klbf sea level. Instead, the upgrade is only to 85klbf and resources are being focused on the Merlin 2.
2. The Falcon 5 is carrying a lot of extra tankage on the first stage.
The first reason explains about two thirds of the difference and the second reason one third.
Falcon 1 paylod dropped by 100kg due to no reliable Al-Li source.
