Random Thought: EDS
Just wanted to post a few random thoughts while I watch the kids until Tiff has had a chance to get some sleep (James was up sick all night).
First one regards the EDS. I haven't thought out all the implications of this idea, but wanted to open it up for discussion. It appears that NASA may be setting itself up big-time for failure by focusing so much of its scarce near-term money and its short window of opportunity on new launch vehicles and earth-to-orbit capsules. This seems particularly short-sighted when you consider that:
It will have a thicker heat shield, but seriously guys, thickening up a heat shield isn't that tough. Especially with 40 years of continual experience in the art, including work done on designing heat shields for entering Jupiter's atmosphere, or Titan's, or nuclear reentry vehicles, etc. The fact is that designing a heat shield tough enough for lunar return is really not that much tougher than designing one for earth return. It's thicker, but we have a lot more experience base now to base design work on, and it's probably now entirely within the capabilities of commercial entities to design a "lunar/martian return shield" upgrade for their capsules at a reasonable price.
Even more to the point, this whole mixing of earth-to-orbit transportation with cramped "long-term" habitation capabilities is one of the major technical flaws of the Shuttle. Here you have a huge service module that gets used up after every mission, and you end up sizing the reentry shield, parachutes, etc for a capsule that is significantly bigger than it needs to be to transport the crew.
So here's my crazy idea (that I know would never happen). What if you offloaded from the CEV to the EDS all of the subsystems that were necessary for long-term spaceflight, and then outright cancel the CEV and just buy crew/cargo flights from commercial providers? Have a manned version of the EDS include something like Sundancer--a fairly lightweight module that would provide spacious accommodations for several astronauts for up to several month periods (including some sort of toilet), while the unmanned version could haul cargo. Size the EDS to perform the LOI and TEI burns. Maybe even go out on a limb and design the thing for orbital refueling and dry launch.
If you did it that way, you'd have a true "exploration vehicle". One that could support lunar or martian exploration, and that wouldn't be duplicating and competing with existing or nearterm commercial capabilities. Not to mention it would be more capable and could help catalyze commercial development.
Reality is that NASA isn't going to do this, but it does suggest a route commercial entities could take for manned exo-LEO transportation.
First one regards the EDS. I haven't thought out all the implications of this idea, but wanted to open it up for discussion. It appears that NASA may be setting itself up big-time for failure by focusing so much of its scarce near-term money and its short window of opportunity on new launch vehicles and earth-to-orbit capsules. This seems particularly short-sighted when you consider that:
- It is impossible for Ares-1/Orion to close the US manned spaceflight "gap", while it is reasonably possible that commercial enterprise could.
- When you factor in budget uncertainties, technical uncertainties, delays, etc, commercial manned vehicles are more likely to fly first than Ares I/Orion.
- The law you know, kinda requires NASA to purchase commercial services whenever possible instead of owning and operating their own systems. Not that they've ever let the law get in the way of a good time, but I'm just sayin.
- When it comes to launching to ISS, many of the commercial projects underway offer more crew or cargo capacity at substantially reduced costs.
It will have a thicker heat shield, but seriously guys, thickening up a heat shield isn't that tough. Especially with 40 years of continual experience in the art, including work done on designing heat shields for entering Jupiter's atmosphere, or Titan's, or nuclear reentry vehicles, etc. The fact is that designing a heat shield tough enough for lunar return is really not that much tougher than designing one for earth return. It's thicker, but we have a lot more experience base now to base design work on, and it's probably now entirely within the capabilities of commercial entities to design a "lunar/martian return shield" upgrade for their capsules at a reasonable price.
Even more to the point, this whole mixing of earth-to-orbit transportation with cramped "long-term" habitation capabilities is one of the major technical flaws of the Shuttle. Here you have a huge service module that gets used up after every mission, and you end up sizing the reentry shield, parachutes, etc for a capsule that is significantly bigger than it needs to be to transport the crew.
So here's my crazy idea (that I know would never happen). What if you offloaded from the CEV to the EDS all of the subsystems that were necessary for long-term spaceflight, and then outright cancel the CEV and just buy crew/cargo flights from commercial providers? Have a manned version of the EDS include something like Sundancer--a fairly lightweight module that would provide spacious accommodations for several astronauts for up to several month periods (including some sort of toilet), while the unmanned version could haul cargo. Size the EDS to perform the LOI and TEI burns. Maybe even go out on a limb and design the thing for orbital refueling and dry launch.
If you did it that way, you'd have a true "exploration vehicle". One that could support lunar or martian exploration, and that wouldn't be duplicating and competing with existing or nearterm commercial capabilities. Not to mention it would be more capable and could help catalyze commercial development.
Reality is that NASA isn't going to do this, but it does suggest a route commercial entities could take for manned exo-LEO transportation.
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I think your post raises some interesting points. Couple of ideas:
I have to ask why bother beefing the capsule's heat shield tremendously and carry it all the way to the moon and back. As a matter of fact, let's extend your idea even further. Let's say the EDS and a semi permanent capsule are mated together and you have in-orbit refueling. You could have a Sundance station as a transition point where travelers to the moon temporarily stay until the EDS/capsule combo arrives to pick them up and take them and there cargo to the moon. A similar situation could exist at L1. However, I see a possiblity to use a thicker heat shield for aerocapture on the return to Earth.
For large cargo, I would take a go slow approach via some other propulsive means such as ion engines from the same Earth orbital Station to the L1 station. I mean...it is just cargo.
My 2 cents....
Joseph
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You could have a LEO vehicle just mate with the EDS/Capsule combo...
An extraneous thought!
Joseph
EDS
I don't think the EDS is where you want to place functions such as habitat space or the LOI burn. Even at the point of the TLI burn the EDS is partly empty and dragging along dead weight. Using the EDS for LOI or TEI it would have an even greater proportion of dead weight.
combining service module and mission module
Are you familiar with the Soviet TKS spacecraft? Pop over to russianspaceweb.com and have a look. It has a very interesting layout and the main module combines a habitat space and power and propulsion functions. It's a very logical design with great potential for deep space flight.
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the "habitable-EDS" is pretty close to the "earth-moon-earth ferry" (someone suggested on the space.com forum at the end of 2005) and (in part) looks like my "BigelowOrion" [ http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/016_BigelowOrion.html ] ...in the h-EDS vs. eme-ferry comparison, the first wins on hardware-saving (but needs a lot of propellent for TLI+LOI+TEI+EOI and that propellent must be launched in orbit at high prices) while the latter needs is smaller and needs less propellent but is expendable ...however, the h-EDS can be used as LSS modules [ http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/009_LSS.html ]
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It doesn't as far as I've heard have a toilet
It has a shuttle derived one.
The capsule is pretty cramped for 6 and not really much better for 4. In fact, you really don't need much more living space, since the crew won't be in it for more than a week outbound and week back at worst.
Would it not be better to park your EDS at EML2 than LLO?
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